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Deal calls for pumps that fix ‘hot fuel’ problem

KansasCity.com -- A fix for “hot fuel” is finally on the way.

In a precedent-setting decision, a federal judge has approved Costco Wholesale’s plans to keep customers from being shortchanged because gasoline and diesel fuel lose energy value as their temperature goes up.

In 14 states, not including Kansas and Missouri, Costco is set to be the first retailer to install pumps that automatically adjust fuel volume to account for temperature.
Costco was among several defendants in class-action lawsuits alleging that oil companies and retailers were costing consumers billions of dollars a year by selling them fuel without adjusting for temperature. Last year, Costco was the first to offer to settle the suits, which had landed in U.S. District Court in Kansas City, Kan.

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Submitted Apr 29, 2012 By: ziyulu

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boborobot All-Star Author Michigan Posts:501 Points:418,425 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:14:26 PM Ignore boborobot Report Abuse I agree with datuner. ''This will just wind up costing the consumer more, wait and see. As papapacker already stated, gasoline tanks are underground and the temperature down there does not fluctuate as much so this is really a non-issue.''
aquarinut Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,628 Points:436,855 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:12:39 PM Ignore aquarinut Report Abuse LOL!!! idigau22! Remember seeing them but have to admit, never saw one being used either... ;) As for vtroger... your thought process just adds to the fire. Its not just your two cents, its the other 300 vehicles that fuel up at that station each month (only 10 vehicles a day), multiply that by the number of stations in your area, then by county, then by state and the numbers become pretty impressive! Its not just the individual that saves a few pennies but overall it makes the big corps and even down to the individual gas station give their customers a true gallon of gas at the posted price rather than have them make a few extra "thousands to millions to billions of pennies!!
theschmuck Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,927 Points:1,513,575 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:12:07 PM Ignore theschmuck Report Abuse This is just another step to put the screws to the public.'ididau22' said it right, years ago they had a glass globe on the pump and you could see what was pumped at any temp. More gov't control and a waste of money on this project.
jerej829 Champion Author Memphis Posts:2,861 Points:695,540 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:09:27 PM Ignore jerej829 Report Abuse Fix all of them.
herbiepopnecker Champion Author British Columbia Posts:13,611 Points:2,508,280 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:08:20 PM Ignore herbiepopnecker Report Abuse Yeah no need for gov't interference. Just let companies keep ripping everyone off. They should be allowed to.
OKRifle Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:10,411 Points:1,811,260 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:08:13 PM Ignore OKRifle Report Abuse "We are from the Government and we are here to help you"!
mikaye Champion Author Cleveland Posts:3,839 Points:866,385 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:07:25 PM Ignore mikaye Report Abuse fix them all
ericbcire Champion Author Nevada Posts:4,530 Points:1,269,285 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:06:58 PM Ignore ericbcire Report Abuse Just buy fuel in the mornings when it's cool.
Tegger Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,133 Points:1,648,460 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:06:40 PM Ignore Tegger Report Abuse Interesting
Pete12 Champion Author Albany Posts:4,878 Points:1,645,955 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:04:56 PM Ignore Pete12 Report Abuse Not let's get all the pumps fixed.
04coupe All-Star Author Ontario Posts:503 Points:491,465 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 6:03:14 PM Ignore 04coupe Report Abuse Ok
TDIdave Champion Author California Posts:5,068 Points:1,226,690 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:59:03 PM Ignore TDIdave Report Abuse old news.
TopGunn Champion Author Baltimore Posts:9,191 Points:2,617,255 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:58:38 PM Ignore TopGunn Report Abuse More government interference to pacify a few cry babies. [Edited by: TopGunn at 4/29/2012 8:59:05 PM EST]
tco9436 Champion Author Connecticut Posts:1,782 Points:723,475 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:57:16 PM Ignore tco9436 Report Abuse ya ok..
The_DR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,790 Points:586,040 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:57:11 PM Ignore The_DR Report Abuse fine by me
yakstar Champion Author Montreal Posts:2,430 Points:480,845 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:54:24 PM Ignore yakstar Report Abuse HOT BUTTER!!!
hcivic Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,859 Points:2,266,690 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:53:20 PM Ignore hcivic Report Abuse sounds good
JagXKR Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,169 Points:1,093,330 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:52:34 PM Ignore JagXKR Report Abuse Just fill when it's cold outside, no problem here most of the year.
vtroger Veteran Author Vermont Posts:284 Points:562,720 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:51:46 PM Ignore vtroger Report Abuse Rediculous. It's costing me less than two cents difference with the temperature change. Nothing drastic enough to warrant a law suit or even a new pump system. Wasting money.
idigau22 Champion Author Washington Posts:23,417 Points:3,202,960 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:49:42 PM Ignore idigau22 Report Abuse I can remember way back when all the pumps had a small glass globe on the pumps. You could see the fuel being pumped! Just below the globe was a sign that read, "Accurate At Any Pressure Or Temperature". You would think the new modern pumps could pump an accurate amount of product!
300kmiles All-Star Author Orange County Posts:529 Points:416,020 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:47:52 PM Ignore 300kmiles Report Abuse Great job Costco... Who's going to follow their lead?
gumbyct Rookie Author Waterbury Posts:12 Points:293,865 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:45:19 PM Ignore gumbyct Report Abuse what are we waiting for?
V8power Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,826 Points:1,381,945 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:44:31 PM Ignore V8power Report Abuse They'll pass their costs onto the consumer in someway.
belladog Champion Author Mobile Posts:2,594 Points:937,945 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:44:09 PM Ignore belladog Report Abuse ok
SpankyMI Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:2,718 Points:761,230 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:44:09 PM Ignore SpankyMI Report Abuse Long over due.
johnnyg1200 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,186 Points:646,830 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:43:39 PM Ignore johnnyg1200 Report Abuse What isn’t seen here is what the lawyers were paid to save me 1.3 cents on a fill up.
RobertSpratt Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:4,845 Points:1,047,715 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:43:29 PM Ignore RobertSpratt Report Abuse More stupid lawsuits
Dennisjk Champion Author Detroit Posts:6,491 Points:1,927,175 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:42:36 PM Ignore Dennisjk Report Abuse This is such BS. Gas is stored underground and the temperature in cool until it gets in your tank. This is more catering to the goofballs that like to make noise.
luvmyburgi Champion Author Ohio Posts:5,836 Points:961,945 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:40:52 PM Ignore luvmyburgi Report Abuse interesting
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,275 Points:2,267,590 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:38:26 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse makes sense. they buy at a set price and temperature
gws2980 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:2,191 Points:502,315 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:37:35 PM Ignore gws2980 Report Abuse I guess the fueling up in the morning to save isn't going to work there
f4driver Champion Author Maine Posts:2,520 Points:684,320 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:37:09 PM Ignore f4driver Report Abuse I recall somewhere that we were told to fill up early morning and pump at the slowest notch, first that cooler gas was better and less air in the tank when filling slowly. Now they're going to heat the gas???? Make up our minds!
tauro514 Champion Author Connecticut Posts:3,145 Points:1,802,815 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:32:34 PM Ignore tauro514 Report Abuse Interesting.
feistyfella All-Star Author Georgia Posts:881 Points:195,345 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:32:04 PM Ignore feistyfella Report Abuse Interesting..
DYSKYPILOT Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:2,907 Points:627,430 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:30:35 PM Ignore DYSKYPILOT Report Abuse Just levelling the playing field.
pnd1 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:5,201 Points:1,065,110 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:27:21 PM Ignore pnd1 Report Abuse Sounds like an advertising ploy.
Mowerman08 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:4,765 Points:1,218,970 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:26:19 PM Ignore Mowerman08 Report Abuse Buy late night or preferably early morning.
itzagasgasgas1 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,984 Points:1,601,445 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:25:29 PM Ignore itzagasgasgas1 Report Abuse I'd like to see how fast this can be implemented in Ohio.
Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:7,584 Points:1,458,010 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:25:25 PM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse Unless a station has above ground tanks, the discrepancy will be small. In colder climates where the average temperature is below the standard temperature, the dealers will benefit from the error correction. I see the lawyers making making money and the consumers deriving no real benefits. An average savings of 1.3 cents per sale is less than a dollar a year for me. This is hardly the rip-off the article would have lead one to think.
Ahking Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,512 Points:604,425 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:24:25 PM Ignore Ahking Report Abuse ok
daquanabe Champion Author Houston Posts:1,828 Points:375,850 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:23:42 PM Ignore daquanabe Report Abuse Okay
TelsaOR Champion Author Oregon Posts:3,566 Points:733,965 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:23:22 PM Ignore TelsaOR Report Abuse This is dumb and a solution in search of a problem. The gas is stored in underground tanks where the temperature hardly varies. The only time it could possibly matter is when the gas comes straight off a tanker truck on a 95 degree day.
MTPokts Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:2,280 Points:777,040 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:21:14 PM Ignore MTPokts Report Abuse I'm so not worrying about Hot Gas.
BANKIS2 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:4,277 Points:916,480 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:15:40 PM Ignore BANKIS2 Report Abuse What a great idea
Remotecontrol Sophomore Author Ottawa Posts:175 Points:79,235 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:10:40 PM Ignore Remotecontrol Report Abuse We've been doing that for years in Canada. All pumps are calibrated to 15 degrees celcius. This is to give a standard volume when dispensing.
Beaveronparade Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,108 Points:636,785 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:10:32 PM Ignore Beaveronparade Report Abuse Very interesting. I also wonder who pays for this?
slayur Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,533 Points:1,219,020 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:10:00 PM Ignore slayur Report Abuse wow
Red7002011 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:3,342 Points:670,670 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:08:52 PM Ignore Red7002011 Report Abuse Really!
midnightsdc Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,309 Points:1,485,265 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:07:42 PM Ignore midnightsdc Report Abuse Interesting...
pper Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:3,094 Points:671,820 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:06:37 PM Ignore pper Report Abuse Another way to raise prices as always the price reflects cost plus extra profit.
amteb All-Star Author Toledo Posts:513 Points:102,865 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 29, 2012 5:04:34 PM Ignore amteb Report Abuse And who will pay for it?